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When did "Is Saul among the prophets?" become a proverb?

Two different prophetic episodes are linked to the same saying about Saul. The first explicitly describes its becoming a proverb; the second associates its use with another event.

Textual conflict: Weak tension; The alleged conflict needs substantial assumptions, such as treating an omission as a denial or figurative language as literal.
Importance: Minor; A local detail in a story, chronology, or inventory.

The later episode can renew an existing proverb because only the earlier account explicitly describes its first emergence.

An editorial assessment of the quoted passages. Importance describes the stakes; it does not increase certainty. Reading order weighs both.

Saul's early public prophecy gives rise to the proverb

And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets? And one of the same place answered and said, But who is their father? Therefore it became a proverb, Is Saul also among the prophets?

1 Samuel 10:11-12

Translation / edition: King James Version (KJV)

Read the full chapter:1 Samuel 10

Saul's naked prophecy before Samuel also explains the saying

And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?

1 Samuel 19:24

Translation / edition: King James Version (KJV)

Read the full chapter:1 Samuel 19

Understanding the contradiction

1 Samuel 10:11-12 describes people who already know Saul being surprised to see him prophesy among prophets. They ask whether Saul is also among the prophets, and the narrator expressly says the question became a proverb. That gives the expression an origin in the witnesses' reaction to this public display. The passage makes no mention of Saul removing his clothes.

1 Samuel 19:24 describes Saul stripping, prophesying before Samuel, and lying naked through a day and night. The narrator again connects the event with the saying about Saul among the prophets. These are distinct scenes associated with one memorable expression. The second passage does not explicitly say nobody had ever used the phrase before, so it cannot by itself disprove the earlier account of its origin. Still, both scenes carry explanatory language connecting the same saying to different circumstances. The evidence supports competing narrative associations, with one explicit origin statement and one renewed explanation of usage. Calling both an exclusive claim to the proverb's first invention would go beyond the later verse's actual wording.

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Saul's early public prophecy gives rise to the proverb

Saul's naked prophecy before Samuel also explains the saying

Understanding the contradiction

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